Kyrie Irving previously claimed that he firmly believes that he could have won more titles with the LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers if only he had a more mature state of mind. A regretful Irving said that his own maturity got in the way and that if he had more wisdom in him then the Cavs would have won more than just one championship.

Well, former Cavs player Richard Jefferson is having none of this. According to the Jefferson, who himself was part of that 2016 Cleveland title run, he believes maturity had nothing to do with the Cavs losing in the Finals in 2017:

“That’s not true,” Jefferson said in a recent episode of the Road Trippin’ podcast. “I don’t think that’s true… Could Kyrie have been more mature? Yes. Do I think his immaturity distracted us from our ultimate goals? No. Bro, we weren’t beating those Golden State Warriors with Kevin Durant bro. I don’t care how mature all of us were. We weren’t beating those. Those were a once-in-a-multi-generation-type talents combined team.”

Channing Frye, who was also a member of the Cavs during the LeBron-Kyrie era, chimed in with his own hilarious jab about Kyrie’s maturity claim:

“Maturity ain’t guarding Kevin Durant,” he quipped.

I see no lies here. Kyrie Irving may have been a hundred times more mature than he was and that probably still wouldn’t have been enough to beat a Warriors side that had Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, and Draymond Green on the same roster.